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Coopers Malts
« on: November 10, 2017, 01:38:01 PM »
http://www.australiancraftbeer.org.au/focus-balanced-beer-heritage-barley-coopers-maltings/

1/3 of production is estimated to be used by the brewery, with the remaining being made available to craft breweries & distributors.

Us home brewers will be able to purchase them at some stage.

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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2018, 05:42:04 PM »
Well, as I'm sure you are all aware.  They are here now.
coopers.com.au/whats-on/news/2017/11/30/coopers-opens-$65-million-malting-plant

Some of the stats on the Coopers Pale malt, Ale and Schooner Ale malts, with downloadable PDFs at; www.ellersliehop.com.au/Ellerslie%20Hop%20Australia_MAIN%20MALT%20VARIETIES.html

Places selling them that I have found are; (no affiliations and I'm sure this list will grow)
www.nationalhomebrew.com.au/products/malts/coopers-premium-ale-malt
shop.unethical operator.com.au/ingredients/bulk-ingredients.html

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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2018, 02:59:52 PM »
Anyone brewed with this malt yet? Would love to hear the results of tastings.

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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2018, 03:41:01 PM »
Anyone brewed with this malt yet? Would love to hear the results of tastings.

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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2018, 05:03:28 PM »
Anyone brewed with this malt yet? Would love to hear the results of tastings.
Good extraction efficiency, nice grainy / bread crust flavour .
Got second attempt in ferment now with wyeast Bavarian lager bittered with hallertau .
Unlike BB there seems to be more consistency in kernel size and no foreign matter ( sticks , prickles , ball bearings ect ) .
Doubt it'll be ready by this months meeting but happy to share samples with interested locals
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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2018, 06:26:11 PM »
I'm thinking of doing something really simple. 95% Cooper's base, 5% crystal,  35IBU, challenger or EKG late, Nottingham yeast and shoot for 4.5% alcohol

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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2018, 07:31:20 PM »
I'm whacking a brew down Saturday with it and adding a small amount of light crystal and malted wheat. Bittering with Super Pride, no late additions.

50L batch, one fermenter with recultured Coopers yeast stepped up on a stir plate and one with US05 not stepped up.
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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2018, 09:18:42 PM »
I've done 3 brews with it now but none are ready to drink. First one will be kegged in a coupla days.

The grain tastes very nice to me though. multi grain toasted bread with some muesli sweetness.

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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2018, 02:11:00 PM »
So here's my review of the Coopers premium ale malt after my first batch with it.

Firstly, the bag its in is a bit shyte, it doesn't look like it would take much for it to tear as there's only a thin layer of plastic wedged between the inner and outer paper bag. I reckon Coopers need to sort that.

The grain kernels themselves are huge, 2.8mm is the minimum width I'm lead to believe, as opposed to JW at 2.2mm for example.
The grain tasted wonderful, very fresh  with a nice crunch and a light biscuit sweetness.
It crushed beautifully on my mill at credit card gap setting.

The mash efficiency was really good. I got 5% higher mash efficiency compared with a simpilar sized batch with my usual Gladfields AA malt.
It seemed quite proteinous in the mash but I did a protein rest and the mash wort ran clear with a 90 min mash.

I did a 100% Coopers malt batch with Pacific Jade to bitter and EKG finishing and whirlpool hops, OG 1.048, fermented with Danstar London ESB. It finished at 1.013.

The picture below is the sample drawn just prior to kegging. The yeast is a low flocculating one, so its a bit hazy, I'll give it some gelatine in the keg.

The colour is pretty light. Looks basically like it will be spot on for a CPA, which is in assume what it's designed for.
The malt profile is very clean, light sweetness and biscuit, but not hugely characterful. It's bordering on a lager malt. Overall it's made a nice beer and I reckon it's a really top notch base malt for the money ($55/25kg).
If you wanted a bit more malt character you'd probably look to beef it up a bit with Munich or Vienna for example.

I'll maybe add a few more thoughts after it's been in the keg and cleared a bit more in a few weeks.

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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2018, 03:07:32 PM »
Thank you. Even though i'm in haitus, that's great information and i can see the foort you've put into the post.

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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #10 on: February 10, 2018, 03:22:35 PM »
Great write up Fishers. Cheers.

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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2018, 04:53:22 PM »
Good one.  I just picked up a bag today myself.  Concur with the fragility of the bag.  A small hole opened up, just from being picked up by the retailer, near the stitching at the top and allowed me to grab a few grains and taste.  Also concur on the biscuit flavour, with mellow maltiness.  It was very nice, but not as malty as I expected (I don't know why I expected that as likely the Schooner malt will be more malty). 

Good write up thanks and I plan to do a similar 100% Coopers ale to test it in the next few weeks.  Looking forward to hear how yours tastes once settled in the keg.

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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #12 on: February 10, 2018, 10:30:52 PM »
Yes, I'm in to it.
Grain size is nice and even, I like it compared to other local malts which have some small seeds which don't crush. The malt also is bright and fresh. It smelt fresh and the colour is bright and lively.

My beers today were Coopers base malt, 5% malted wheat, 5% light crystal - 50L. One fermenter with Coopers recultured on a stir plate, one fermenter on US05

My brewing daugther made a sort of Dr S golden ale with 4Kg Coopers, 1Kg Vienna and 100g Cararoma.

All beers had a 60min addition of hops only which in this case was Superpride. This should let the malt shine through without being drowned out with hop flavours. Also usimg Superpride to keep with the Aussie beer theme.

Coopers yeast formed a krausen within two hours, still waiting on US05

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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2018, 10:41:26 AM »
So what's the thoughts on the coopers malts now folks?
I'm in the process of smashing out a shitload of beer and have used my sack of BB Ale I got in the bulk but (5 batches so was stoked)

Can get a sack for $57 over the counter which I think I reasonable... and make another 5 batches...
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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2018, 11:08:14 AM »
So what's the thoughts on the coopers malts now folks?
I'm in the process of smashing out a shitload of beer and have used my sack of BB Ale I got in the bulk but (5 batches so was stoked)

Can get a sack for $57 over the counter which I think I reasonable... and make another 5 batches...
Im only a new brewer so wouldn't rely solely on my assessment but i like it.
Great efficiency and colour as already mentioned.
My brews are all pretty similar, before buying 25kg bags i purchased per order over the counter at unethical operator without specifying what brand i wanted so not entirely sure (didnt really care at the time either) what i got.
But the basis is 70%ale malt 30%wheat malt. Magnum bittering and single hop late boil with galaxy dry hopped. So far my late boil additions have been amarillo, mosaic, citra, vic secret (waiting for it to condidtion atm)

So im aiming for hoppy flavours without being too hoppy overall, so the malt itself isnt shining through as a flavour. That said as i get more experienced im finding my beers are getting much better but still require more refinement to say they're good.

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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2018, 11:59:39 AM »
Thanks Solidute.

I was in there the other day and they said they basically aren't using BB any more since Coopers is cheaper and more readily available...

Might bite the bullet and grab a sack and try some of my old recipes... not that I really have much to compare to
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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2018, 01:38:35 PM »
I must admit I had great plans, but have only used the Coopers Ale malt for one brew so far.  It was a NEIPA, so I can't comment on the flavour impacts of the malt as the hops are the distinguishing factor of that 'style' (overpowers most else initially and then settles a bit so some of the malts come through in the finish).  I will say that as far as milling, mashing and sparging (efficiencies or ease there of), I have found no difference between it and Gladfields' Ale malt when using my system.  I haven't used BB for some years, so can't make a qualified comment between the differences with it, but from my poor memory of it, it is as good at least.

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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2018, 06:54:41 PM »
Coopers base malt by itself does not have a lot of flavour and is fairly high in enzymes, it is made from Commander malt, a high extract barley variety so you will have to add lots of character malts to get any flavour.

It is very good malt. But, Coopers beers for example like Pale Ale rely on yeast for flavour. Homebrewers will have to rely on either character malts, yeast and hops for flavour or most likely a combination of all of them. As a base malt, it is easy to work with, the seeds size is consistent allowing a great crush, it is easy to mash, unlikely to get a stuck mash as it converts quickly and produces a low viscous wort, easy to lauter.

Personally, I can't wait to try their new Schooner hertiage malt which is supposed to be much more flavoursome.

I have just made a stack of APA beer with it but lots of character malts and plenty of hops of course, still fermenting right now.
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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2018, 07:03:52 PM »
Yes, I'm in to it.
Grain size is nice and even, I like it compared to other local malts which have some small seeds which don't crush. The malt also is bright and fresh. It smelt fresh and the colour is bright and lively.

My beers today were Coopers base malt, 5% malted wheat, 5% light crystal - 50L. One fermenter with Coopers recultured on a stir plate, one fermenter on US05

My brewing daugther made a sort of Dr S golden ale with 4Kg Coopers, 1Kg Vienna and 100g Cararoma.

All beers had a 60min addition of hops only which in this case was Superpride. This should let the malt shine through without being drowned out with hop flavours. Also usimg Superpride to keep with the Aussie beer theme.

Coopers yeast formed a krausen within two hours, still waiting on US05

How'd the above go? And was your APA this recipe?

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Re: Coopers Malts
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2018, 07:09:20 PM »
All beers went very well. I was using recultured Coopers yeast so the flavour profile of my beers was defined by the unmistakable flavour of Coopers yeast. My daughters beer was loaded with vienna and crystal so plenty of flavour there.

Following lager beers I made were basically BB Pale but one had a heap of Coopers malt in. Quite a bland beer.
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