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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6520 on: May 14, 2017, 07:26:15 AM »
So brew both. Back to back saves hours on doing two brew days. Cube one.
Great idea , will shoot out for another cube and just cube both of them and wait until i have room in ferment fridge and get both cracking along
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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6521 on: May 19, 2017, 08:48:02 PM »
I have. Always in hop forward beers. Holds up well and dries out without any residual sweetness imo. The beer I've just dry hopped has a much higher percentage of it. Brewed for Glenbrew. But I have enough for a half keg for myself. I'll try and remember to bring you a bottle of it next Wednesday.
The supernova is something I've only just started using. From what I've read it's right up my ally for winterish hoppy pale ales. Just trying to get a bit of nut and biscuitness into them but still have them dry right out.

Enjoying your beer now, Dez. Thanks for the sample. The cola type flavour from the Shepherds delight really does come through. Got a bready nuttiness to it too. There's a lot to like about it, but I find myself wanting a touch of sweetness. Maybe just a personal preference.

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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6522 on: May 20, 2017, 06:56:36 PM »
I have. Always in hop forward beers. Holds up well and dries out without any residual sweetness imo. The beer I've just dry hopped has a much higher percentage of it. Brewed for Glenbrew. But I have enough for a half keg for myself. I'll try and remember to bring you a bottle of it next Wednesday.
The supernova is something I've only just started using. From what I've read it's right up my ally for winterish hoppy pale ales. Just trying to get a bit of nut and biscuitness into them but still have them dry right out.

Enjoying your beer now, Dez. Thanks for the sample. The cola type flavour from the Shepherds delight really does come through. Got a bready nuttiness to it too. There's a lot to like about it, but I find myself wanting a touch of sweetness. Maybe just a personal preference.
Good to hear. My half keg of it just blew. I agree that a touch of crystal would compliment that recipe.  The next batch will be in the keg in a few days time. Less Shep D more Supernova. Will be an interesting comparo.
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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6523 on: May 23, 2017, 07:04:26 PM »
Hows this sound ? Big nod to Smurto for the original recipe i have been fucking around with for a while and find very forgiving
Title: Pirate XPA
Author: Pirate

Brew Method: All Grain
Style Name: American Pale Ale
Boil Time: 60 min
Batch Size: 40 liters (fermentor volume)
Boil Size: 52 liters
Boil Gravity: 1.039
Efficiency: 80% (brew house)


STATS:
Original Gravity: 1.051
Final Gravity: 1.012
ABV (standard): 5.07%
IBU (tinseth): 45.32
SRM (ebcmorey): 14.01

FERMENTABLES:
3.5 kg - United Kingdom - Golden Promise (40.9%)
2.1 kg - German - Rye (24.6%)
1.6 kg - German - Vienna (18.7%)
0.5 kg - German - Carapils (5.8%)
0.3 kg - German - Acidulated Malt (3.5%)
0.25 kg - JWM Dark Crystal (2.9%)
0.3 kg - Rice Hulls (3.5%)

HOPS:
12.5 g - Columbus, Type: Pellet, AA: 16, Use: Boil for 60 min, IBU: 14.02
25 g - Centennial, Type: Pellet, AA: 9.3, Use: Boil for 15 min, IBU: 8.09
25 g - Mosaic, Type: Pellet, AA: 13.6, Use: Boil for 15 min, IBU: 11.82
25 g - Citra, Type: Pellet, AA: 13.1, Use: Boil for 15 min, IBU: 11.39
40 g - Centennial, Type: Pellet, AA: 9.3, Use: Boil for 0 min
40 g - Mosaic, Type: Pellet, AA: 13.6, Use: Boil for 0 min
40 g - Citra, Type: Pellet, AA: 13.1, Use: Boil for 0 min
35 g - Centennial, Type: Pellet, AA: 9.3, Use: Dry Hop for 3 days
35 g - Mosaic, Type: Pellet, AA: 13.6, Use: Dry Hop for 3 days
35 g - Citra, Type: Pellet, AA: 13.1, Use: Dry Hop for 3 days

MASH GUIDELINES:
1) Infusion, Temp: 65 C, Time: 75 min
Starting Mash Thickness: 4.5 L/kg

OTHER INGREDIENTS:
1 each - whirlfloc, Time: 10 min, Type: Fining, Use: Boil

YEAST:
Wyeast - American Ale II 1272

Any feedback welcome , converting my recipe from urn / no chill to Glycol Glen and his fancy blingy system screwed a few thing up
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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6524 on: May 24, 2017, 04:15:32 AM »
I would really pick the acidulated malt in the finished beer at 3.5%. Seems to jump out at me and i don't like using it. Must be sensitive to the taste of piss.
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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6525 on: May 24, 2017, 08:14:00 AM »
Thanks , I missed that
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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6526 on: May 24, 2017, 09:44:27 AM »
Silly Pirate.

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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6527 on: May 24, 2017, 10:30:21 AM »
I don't see why the acidulated malt is there at all. Or the rice hulls. 24.6% rye is no drama in a mash.

Rye adds body so carapils is pointless, I'd add something with flavour like carahell. Or just increase the dark crystal and call it an amber ale. Hops look like a very tasty combination and love the yeast choice.

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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6528 on: May 24, 2017, 11:44:12 AM »
I wondered about the rice hulls too.
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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6529 on: May 24, 2017, 12:23:45 PM »
Happy to drop the rice hulls , was never an issue without them at home but I use a bag .
Only use the carapils for head retention and acid malt for mash pH adjustment .
Will drop those and maybe mash a little higher for a little more body since 1272 seems to rip through everything I throw it at .
Can't get carabohemian local so waiting on bulk buy to arrive to try it , will sub in something instead of the dark crystal to get the colour and flavour where I want it
3 of my favourite hops.

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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6530 on: May 24, 2017, 07:09:04 PM »
You can use a bit of wheat malt for head retention, that's a better choice but an even better one is a gluco rest at 70-72C for 20 minutes. Also your comment on pH adjustment is a bit wild. Adjusting what to where??. Without accurate measurement you're just stabbing in the dark and taking wild guess
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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6531 on: May 24, 2017, 07:39:29 PM »
You can use a bit of wheat malt for head retention, that's a better choice but an even better one is a gluco rest at 70-72C for 20 minutes. Also your comment on pH adjustment is a bit wild. Adjusting what to where??. Without accurate measurement you're just stabbing in the dark and taking wild guess
Sorry if that was vague , Knowing the current local water report and grainbill i calculated a mash ph of 5.32 with the acidulated malt and 5.7 ish  ( from memory ) without it .
Trying to get my head around the Bru'n water spreadsheet

Wheat and rye in same recipe ? so that gluco rest is between sacc rest and mash out ? not sure if i can do a mash out on Glens gear so would take either a decoction or a fuckload of boiling water to bring temps up .

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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6532 on: May 24, 2017, 08:24:28 PM »
I have never used Rye so I don't know the head formation/retention properties of it, I do know it's used for body and spicyness and also for a nice mouthfeel but other than that I'm ignorant.

Although I was concerned about pH in the earlier part of my brewing experience, I don't bother with it now. The buffering effect of natural acids in the mash is huge. It takes very little acid to take it down as far as it will go - usually a couple of points and after that you can go 10 times as much acid with little or no change in pH. Using test strips, my mashes were always in the target range using filtered tap water and IMHO, there are far more important things to worry about than mash pH. A gram or two of calcium chloride works just as well.
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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6533 on: May 24, 2017, 10:30:49 PM »
For me, when I go over 15% rye I use rice hulls.  This is probably system/process dependent.  I hate 3 hour sparges so I play safe. :-)

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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6534 on: May 25, 2017, 09:32:18 AM »
Ignore calculated pH, unless you measure it you have no starting point. Adjusting a theoretical number for something you aren't going to measure anyway seems like such a pointless thing to do.

Labels is very much on the money, the buffering capacity of the mash itself is vastly underestimated in the calculations you find on the internet, created by homebrewers, not brewing scientists. Very little experimentally derived data is used to come up with these calculations. Ignore them. If you think you have mash pH issues, measure the mash pH to confirm.

Rye adds mouthfeel, spiciness and gives the beer a good head and head retention. So no need to add wheat or carapils.

And in fairness, if you can't get good head retention using only 100% ale malt then there are issues with your brewing and/or serving processes, not the grainbill.

What water are you using? If you are aiming for a hop forward beer then adding some CaSO4 (gypsum) will help. How much depends on what is in the water to begin with. Check out my brewing water presentation in the 'lounge bar' for a guide on how to do this.

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« Reply #6535 on: May 25, 2017, 09:49:39 AM »
I don't own a pH meter yet , just been using the test strips and targeting mash pH of 5.4 ish  , I'm not a chemist by any means so will take any advice here on board .
As for head there may well be something wrong with my brewing process resulting in only average retention .
I have read your presentation and find gypsum to be very useful in bringing hops to the fore
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« Reply #6536 on: May 25, 2017, 03:00:18 PM »
I have a fancy pH meter.

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Re: I will be brewing ....
« Reply #6537 on: May 25, 2017, 03:53:20 PM »
Could no chill be affecting head retention in my beers ?
Glen why am I not surprised you bought a pH meter
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« Reply #6538 on: May 25, 2017, 07:53:08 PM »
Could no chill be affecting head retention in my beers ?
Glen why am I not surprised you bought a pH meter
Going through a similar discussion thread on the 'other' forum. Nope, same deal people seem to have this fascination with pH instead of beer. Tut-tut, get your priorities right peoples!
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« Reply #6539 on: May 26, 2017, 09:17:16 AM »
Could no chill be affecting head retention in my beers ?
Glen why am I not surprised you bought a pH meter
Going through a similar discussion thread on the 'other' forum. Nope, same deal people seem to have this fascination with pH instead of beer. Tut-tut, get your priorities right peoples!

I have never used it, i just have one. I bought some test strips 18 months ago from Clint at a club meeting and only used a couple 2 brews ago.


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